
With the likes of Sega, Ubisoft and EA all looking to leverage the potential of 'non-fungible tokens' and blockchain gaming, it's inevitable that others will follow – and now it's the turn of industry veteran Square Enix.
The company behind the likes of Final Fantasy and Tomb Raider has actually dipped its toes into NFT waters previously. It recently collaborated with Double Jump Tokyo – a blockchain tech company – to create a series of digital assets for its Million Arthur franchise.
This venture was a resounding success, with the Million Arthur NFT set (launched on October 14th) already having sold out, so it should come as no great shock to learn that Square Enix is happy to ramp things up.
During its most recent financial presentation, the company referenced the venture as “a proof of concept for establishing what synergies we can derive by combining NFTs with our business assets," adding that “NFTs have high affinity with our assets,” and that the “proof of concept phase is over.” Square Enix is happy enough with this trial venture to report that it “will transition to [a] full commercialization stage" in the near future, which presumably means more NFT-related promotions, both in and outside of games.
So what's the fuss? Well, an NFT is a one-of-a-kind version of a digital asset. So for example, a digital art piece (which you would usually be able to share endlessly) can be "tokenised" as a way of making it unique. The token acts as a kind of certificate that cannot be copied, meaning that you could feasibly sell your NFT asset at a later date, complete with this authenticity.
For gaming, this could have massive ramifications for digital items purchased or obtained in-game. Items earned in-game would be part of 'the blockchain', which means even when the game's servers are turned off, you'd still own that item. You'd also be able to sell or trade that item with other uses online; the very nature of blockchain gaming means you could trade items across different platforms, which opens up all kinds of possibilities.
However, while NFTs, blockchain gaming and cryptocurrency are certainly hot topics right now – and could represent a massive area of expansion for publishers – they've had a lot of negative publicity thanks to the fact their creation often has a serious impact on the environment.
[source kotaku.com]
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Oh f*** off. Squeenix further tarnishing their former reputation.
Decentralised assets that belong to the individual, as opposed to being assigned ownership on a single database is interesting, as you could potentially own something that is recognised as something usable across other platforms.
Kind of like how amiibo can be enjoyed across a number of Nintendo games.
However, that is reliant on such support being implemented, something like a character or item skin for a given game is probably going to remain as such for only that specific game or family of games under a single platform or publisher.
Much like amiibo can only be selectively enjoyed on some Nintendo games.
Moreover, the carbon footprint is insane and doesn't justify pursuing such practices at this time, that needs to be solved first else we'll be destroying our material world in pursuit of imaginary ones.
Square Enix and good decisions go together like peanut butter and mustard:
they don’t
THANK YOU FOR kinda EXPLAINING THIS CRAP.
So.... when the server that your item is on, is turned off you still own that piece of data, but cant get to it??? HA HA HA HA HA HA!
What a scam, this is worse than Crypto currencies.
Not really surprised Squenix is doing this, they are milking all the old games for all its worth and doesn't give one crap about the consumer.
Just wait the next Bitcoin crash probably in december/january like in 2017 so we will stop hearing about these stupid things for years.
For once I am glad that Nintendo tends to take their time when it comes to adopting new trends and technologies.
"Hey, gamer™! Our blockchain records show you have not bought any microtransactions in 7 days. Please buy some Square Enix™ coin to continue playing this game!"
Very excited for the square coin to pay me for playing Avengers, so that I can buy to progress in the game
Thing is, as much as everyone (quite rightly) rallies against NFTs, they seem to be growing as a business model. Presumably the Squeenix tests have been profitable for them - so clearly someone is buying into this nonsense.
The problem’s not going away, it’s getting worse.
Y'all forgot your friend Tommy Tallarico and his non-existing console the Intellivision Amico which is also embracing that same scam.
Looking forward to the cast of Final Fantasy XVII being various blunt smoking chimpanzees entirely unique to my experience.
Man, remember when we could just buy a game and play it and that was that?
People are fools for buying into this crap
Also I FULLY expect Gamefreak and The Pokémon Company to get into this nonsense.
I am genuinely baffled as to why anyone would ever pay for an NFT. At least with an over-priced physical/collector's item you get something for your money.
@Funneefox Oh god, that does sound terrible. I have never thought of combining mustard and peanut butter
Can't I just keep playing my pixel art 2D platformers forever? I'm happy the way gaming is already
Can’t wait for this ecologically damaging scam to burst. So glad that whilst the world is in the process of turning into an oven we’ve still been able to find a way to turn up the heat.
How is it that a digital asset impacts the environment?
This is so depressing. Hurts to see everyone buying into the NFT scam. I'm really hoping this is just a short lived trend that will blow over soon but maybe that's being too optimistic lol
I first thought blockchain could be amazing for political voting, as it cannot be fraudulent like the current “mail-in voting”. But I’m starting to think blockchain is appropriately named as a great way to enslave us all.
It will go hand-in-hand with Carbon Taxes to tell you when you’re allowed to go outside or eat a piece of meat.
All the big devs that currently love their micro-transactions and dlcs and season passes love the idea of NFTs and blockchains.
And that should be all you need to know.
Can we please just outright criminalise this NFT BS now?
@Ryan_Again It’s getting increasingly difficult to tell when people are trolling.
At least with amiibo, you have something physical to display, whether it's a figure, a card, a plush or (in the weirdest case) a cereal box.
But this is just as bad as "surprise mechanics", if not worse.
Man, the gaming industry these days has become so sad. I'm glad Indies are so good and thriving, because I've about given up on this hobby.
@BloodNinja I second this question. I’ve searched many times for a good explanation, but I can’t understand how a digital asset hurts the environment. Are there a lot of servers spending energy to maintain the blockchain or something?
@BloodNinja Because to create it the servers need to calculate and that requires energy. Unfortunately the world still has decided to not go 100% renewable energy and thus, resources get eaten up, just to create NFTs.
@RadioDog Exactly this. But not just to maintain, but also create. Just lookup crypto currency which is is also done via a blockchain model and all the farms that farm bitcoins by authenticating.
Hardly surprising. Square is often late to the scumbag party but they still show up.
Though I do find the consternation confusing. Yeah, lootboxes and microtransactions and NFTs and subscription services are scummy af and umm... I don't play those games?
@Lemmy_the_Koopa I am slowly starting to understand you, but while I am handy with computers my technical knowledge is limited. What are the servers calculating?
@RadioDog Yeah, I have no idea. This concept makes me want to have a, "old man yells at cloud," moment.
@BloodNinja The NFT itself, if I also understand it correctly. It has to make sure that the blockchain is unique; because this will be a one of a kind item, that also needs some ways to secure it, otherwise it would be easy to copy it multiple times. Thus the computing power required so there is (and this is probably simplified and a wrong analogy) a unique lock and a unique key you can't replicate.
@Lemmy_the_Koopa Thanks! I thought it was something like that, but it seemed like such an unsustainable system…
@BloodNinja I felt the same way xD
I have to admit, I am old. That said, I think this is a *****, useless trend. On one hand they are urging us "prepare for blackouts and energy shortages" and on the other hand: "put everything into the cloud, pay for meaningless digital property". Yeah. Sounds like a great idea.
I rather colleckt rocks, they'll be around thousands of years after I'm gone...
@HedgehogEngine
HedgehogEngine wrote:
Hmm quotes aren’t working, this is mine:
For in-game content, it would be an easy way for micro transactions. Want that hyrule shield right off the bat in skyward sword? I’ll sell you mine for $20. Publisher gets his cut. Very easy. Don’t want to spend money? I’ll trade you my shield for something else, but when we both agree and settle the deal, we have to watch a 30 second ad or click through a request to purchase more “coins” or other items from other players that are similar. The house (publisher) always wins.
As for scalpers, they could just play the arbitrage game all day long with prices. Not just limited supplies any longer, but late-in-game supplies, too. Just about anything, really. Maybe you’ll be allowed to buy portions of maps you’ve yet to explore, or unlock characters.
You don't have to explain your lack of understanding on your age. It actually doesn't make sense. One can understand how a blockchain works and how an NFT is non-fungible but why people believe it represents ownership (or in fact anything at all) or why they're willing to pay thousands of dollars for absolutely nothing, cannot be comprehended.
You're not missing something here. People who buy into the concept of NFTs are delusional idiots. That's all. You aren't too old to understand them. They don't make sense.
@Scollurio Careful, someone will invent a "crypto-rock" or something.
@Lemmy_the_Koopa So it takes a lot of computing power to create a unique block chain? Weird, I wonder why?
@RadioDog Yep, just another thing I don't want to get involved with. What am I going to do with a digital asset, anyway?
@Dethmunk
Largely my point, publishers and platform holders don't gain anything from selling you micro-transactions that are truly global and re-usable across multiple platforms.
@BloodNinja I have no doubts about that and am already looking for alternatives. Probably my own fingernails.
Trade the item after the game has been turned off and do exactly what with it? These NFT's are literally useless and worthless and you'd have to be a fool to buy one. It'd be like buying one tomato and having a little certificate to say you own the tomato but everyone else in the world can still but tomatoes yet some moron will be willing to pay lots of money for yours
@Scollurio LOL Your humor is amazing
@Purgatorium Well said. I've said the same thing in my own way when I've encountered people who say they don't get it. I tell people if they don't understand NFTs, then they understand it perfectly because, as you say, they don't make sense.
yeah just waste energy because of nothing...
@BloodNinja It's just being jaded as a grumpy old man. I remember the times when I was "on the edge of tech" with my first "smartphone" way before the first iPhone (it was that fancy, overpriced Prada thing). Now I like fountain pens. And typewriters. Stationaries too. I like fire. Like, real fire.
I have the dreading feeling that tech is moving way faster than our social advancements. Same with all that Metaverse crap. It's just another way to hate onto each other without owning up to it.
Oh well!
@Scollurio As I slowly move towards old, I can't help but agree. Finding simpler living is a joy. It baffles me that people become interested in this useless amount of tech.
Social advancements? What social advancements? (joking of course)
@BloodNinja It’s part of the design I believe. Each additional chain requires additional computing and the longer the chain is the more computations are required. It was designed this way so that no one computer would be strong enough to change something that already happened, hence why it is so secure.
It’s also why there was/is a shortage of GPUs as they were being bought up to mine cryptocurrency by doing blockchain calcs. I read it significantly increases your electricity bill by having those calcs run all the time such that if you were trying to mine Bitcoin on your own, the cost outweighs the gain.
Maybe it's because I haven't been in touch with the whole NFT thingy but that isn't such a big deal, right?
This is just for sellers & collectors that want, let's say, some kinda cosmetic item that they created in a video game so they can sell it for real money, right?
Or is it something deeper? I've read up on NFTs and watched a few videos but I haven't really seen anything too negative about it. It gives people that don't really have an opportunity to make some crypto money exactly that or am I misunderstanding? There isn't a video in my main language that explains it so if someone would like to enlighten me go ahead
@Shadowkiller97 Sounds like too much work, honestly. Thanks for the explanation. I wonder what the motive is behind it all? Obviously to make money, but I'm sure there is another, more concrete reason to encrypt all these unique assets.
@icomma What's Parler?
@Nephestinus the negative is that games may move away from the current availability of physical copies (and even digital, as they stand now) and move towards requiring these types of micro transactions where you’d never really own anything and, perhaps, more into the constant micro/ subscription/pay to win environment for every/most games.
@BloodNinja The closer to old you get, the faster it becomes. And yes. Simple and functional. Less stress, less blinking lights and less notifications. But I do see a trend, a small one though, of people, even half the age of me, wanting to opt out of that whole smart-city mumbo jumbo the world economic forum is pushing for our digitized future.
You know what's the most sophisticated, elegant, simple and functional tech for me? Bow and arrow. And that's 10's of thousands of years old already. How's that for "anti-planned-obsolescense".
If you wanna talk about growing old and "out" of society's norms, hit me up.
@kupocake, It’s true what they say, “every chimpanzee is unique,” but even truer is, “no two blunts are wholly unique,” so I guess it all evens out.
@BloodNinja The reasoning behind blockchain itself was to prove/show that you could have a series of transactions secured and verified without a regulatory body or a single entity. The ledger is secured by the participants in the transactions via the blockchain.
The NFT and their use in gaming is a bit more nebulous.
"with the Million Arthur NFT set (launched on October 14th) already having sold out"
Not even half of them have sold out, 18 of the 30 stickers are still available.
For what it's worth, the stickers in question were (mostly) single panels of specially made manga strips about blockchains, and you can read the manga strips without purchasing anyway.
@HedgehogEngine You give me hope. Please tell me that all your friends around your age see the world with your eyes... That was spot on. You're invited to come and build a frugal commnity living in the forest like Ewoks. sigh one can dream.
Can NFT's please just fade into irrelavence?
@HedgehogEngine Right. I can't speak for @Scollurio, but I reference my age as a way of saying, "I've seen a lot, and I see where this is going, and it took me a long time to notice." I too, love tech to a point. I'm typing to you on a computer that is massively more powerful than the task I am performing.
What you said about hating the world thanks to social media...I used to share that view. Then I realized that I just hate social media, and not the world. Haven't been on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc for about 10 years, now. My outlook on the world has been much better, as a result.
I feel that some platforms bring out the worst in humanity, and social media is such a platform. But, we have to also be willing participants. As I browse this site, I smile to myself when I see a phrase or read an article about something I've never heard of. I appreciate your response, it was something I am not used to hearing from internet users.
The best part about NFTs isn't just that it's basically one guy driving the prices up though market manipulation (selling them from one of his accounts to another) which he's using to both profit and to launder money, but it's that he goes on talk shows, gives interviews, and talks all the time about how he's doing it and no one cares, they just keep buying the things.
@Shadowkiller97 Hm. That sounds a little chilling, now that I think about it. Humans always need checks and balances. Always. A system that moves away from that could prove to worsen our current standing, over time.
Look! Look! They're giving away free money! We can't let Sega, EA, and Ubisoft beat us to it!!
As if streaming games wasn't bad enough... May everyone who "buys" these intangibles enjoy them when the plug is pulled someday.
Guess people here like to bash on things they don't understand. NFTs aren't a bad thing. It would be great if they could be implemented so we could trade/sell digital games or ingame goods.
Also the environmental cost is only about NFTs on the Ethereum blockchain, there a tons of other blockchains that don't use insane ammounts of energy that are also used for NFTs. And Ethereum itself is switching to proof-of-stake wich cuts it's power usage by over 90%.
Can you feel it? It's one of the stinky sides of the all-free capitalism that is stinking here.
Nothing is perfect, let's just live with it.
@HedgehogEngine That sounds very familiar.
I have a question. Probably one people here already thought about. Do any of the heads of these companies know what NFTS even are? Or they are just saying it to get clueless investors that put money in any company when they hear the words "blockchain" and "NFTs"? It wouldn't be the first time that happened...
Here they go again first loot boxes and microtransactions now this ..Please just stick to making games and leave all this other mess alone
@HedgehogEngine No worries I appreciate the friendly responses. We share similar situations, it would seem! So for what it's worth, at least we shared a few moments in the comments LOL
@Ryan_Again oh geez, please not here!
NFTs are not a bad things per se. It's just technology, it may be a good thing or a bad one.. it just depends on how it is implemented.
Let's make an example.
Think about Magic the Gathering (or MTG Arena). As it is currently implemented, you can buy and "own" digital game cards but there is only a single authority that grant you ownership of those digital cards: the company who have rights to it (Wizards of the Coast). If the company shut down the servers, release a new not compatible App or go bankruptcy you lose everything you bought.
But if those cards were bought by you as NFTs, you can own them forever indefinitely. You can trade or sell them as you like on any platforms, you can play them in any third-party or unofficial app today or in 20 years from now.
And this thanks to a decentralized sovereign authority that is a blockchain.
It's nice that these companies keep saving me so much money. Now I don't need to worry about buying games from Sega, Ubisoft, Squeenix, and I'm sure lots more to come. I have been saying for years that there's too many games to play them all, this will help me get through my always growing backlog a bit faster. Plus it will save me time not looking at articles about their upcoming projects, because no reason to look at previews and such if I know I won't be buying any of their games when they release.
Should we declare them Shinra yet?
"Proof of ownership after the server goes down" - isn't any digital item useless if the game server is down anyways?
@DeusX One problem with that... Using a months worth of electricity for each transaction is inherently unsustainable, especially as the amount per transaction will always continue to scale upward, so anything done on blockchain will actually become unusable sometime within the next 10 years.
Pretend money!
@link3710 yeah that could be a really big problem. Fortunately, it seems that new generation blockchains have already resolved this issue by using a "proof of stake" validation mechanism instead of the old "proof of work" used by Bitcoin and Ethereum (bitcoin is quite old these days, it is dated back to 2008).
I get the ownership and the ability to trade/sell but I don’t see how the nature of being an NFT allows for the ability to “play them in any third-party or unofficial app today or in 20 years from now.” Those apps/software would have to be coded to maintain compatibility and we all know that is an realistic expectation (version updates, increasing volume of items to support, etc.). See Pokémon Sword/Shield and the incomplete dex fiasco 😝
I dream of a day people return to physical games, arcades, shopping malls, and records. Digital is fine and convenient, but nothing replaces a physical asset. I can't fathom why anyone would buy a non fungible token besides those interested in volatile investments. That being said, I'm sure there is something about them that is appealing, but I don't know what it is and I don't really care to.
FredsBodyDouble wrote:
1) Chance to get rich quick
2) Instant gratification
There are probably others, but those, I think, are the top two.
Sad times
"NFTs have high affinity with our assets"
Thankfully they have no affinity with my wallet.
So so stupid. Blockchain, Bitcoin, NFT's it's all a scam...
@DeusX but, the problem is you don't actually own anything...
I have never felt so profoundly old as I have with the rise of Non-Fungible Tokens, which I'm pretty sure you buy with Bitcoin, which I know is some sort of cryptocurrency, and also it's supposed to be bad for the environment somehow? And you need lots of computer processing power to farm it. But now people make pictures that are worth some amount of cryptocurrency, which is worth SOME amount of actual physical currency, which is based on the gold standard or something.
This has been "Old Guy Tries to Come to Grips with Moden Life."
@BloodNinja @Scollurio There's quite a lot of us aging Luddites on these here video game forums.
I'm not so sure we're out of touch. I think the young are easily, stupidly enamored by the blinking lights and marketing puffery, just as we stupidly once were. Then we learned better. And so will they.
@NEStalgia Very good point, and as an old, I heartily agree
@NEStalgia I have to agree. I wonder how society would go if the younger generation would reject tech toys as much as the older ones do, from the getgo.
@Shadowkiller97 That's possible because NFTs use standard blockchain technology. So, if for example the NFT is released on the Ethereum blockchain it will exist as long as Ethereum exists.
Since you own that NFT you have granted digital rights to it and you can use or resell it in the way you like. In the example above about Magic game cards, even if the company ceases to release an App to play with those cards, you or any other developers could legally create another App to view your collected cards and play with them.
@Danrenfroe2016 sure, you own nothing physically but at least you own the digital version of that asset.
Let's say, at some point, Nintendo releases a collection of NES roms as NFTs, 1000x copies each. I buy an original NFT copy of Super Mario Bros ROM, complete with original box art and instructions booklet.
Now I own that rom indefinitely so I could legally play it with any emulator/platform that correctly check my ownership of that asset. I have the right to resell it and moreover, Nintendo won't be able to sell it again to me (for example on the next gen Switch) because I already own it.
@Scollurio All that tech makes life look easier, faster, better, simpler when you're young. It's all "new", "never been done before", "we're leapfrogging those older folks and the world is shaping itself around us, we can do more, do it faster, etc. etc."
Sounds great. At first. Because you haven't been repeatedly let down by it yet, seen the trap it's putting you in yet, and believe it'll always work. EVENTUALLY after repeated failure, you figure out the tech doesn't make things easier, it makes things harder. When it all works it makes things easier but it never always works, and cleaning up when it fails is more laborious than just doing it all manually to begin with, except with the added work of maintaining the tech itself. Then the work of keeping up with the changing nature of it again and again. The treadmill. As though it's designed to grind you down.
Sadly, tech, psychology, money, of all this stuff goes along with the same mentality toy manufacturers have used on even younger minds since forever. Bigger kids, bigger toys, worse societal destruction....but the same exact mindset. (Nearly) everyone eventually figures it out, but only after a new batch of even more enamored young minds replace them.....all by design.
Conveniently it also keeps the young portion of society well controlled to look where they're told to look and see what they're told to see. And as long as they're the bigger group and anyone that knows better is cast as outdated and out of touch....things will keep going badly. Useful psychology. The 20th century dictators didn't spend all that time and money on youth indoctrination for no reason....
@Dethmunk Unfortunately in many countries, a public company is bound by law to make money for their shareholders and if the board members hold enough stock, they can legally demand this. As long as people continue to give S-E, Nintendo, Activision, EA, Amazon, <insert giant company here> money they have no reason to stop.
As long as we can't give up Final Fantasy, Diablo, Call of Duty, Zelda, Battlefield, etc then we really don't care
@NEStalgia Very well put. I agree 100%. Tech used to serve us, now we serve tech.
@DeusX I still don't get it. I guess my problem is I just don't understand owning things that are non-tangible. 😅
@CharlieGirl is that legit what it means
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